evs
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Post by evs on Apr 19, 2016 9:58:15 GMT
I once had a very strange Bio teacher in highschool and he once told me about some friends of his. Apparently, this couple purposely raised their child to call, what we know as green, "pink" and call what we know as pink, "green." This kid believed wholeheartedly in the names his parents had falsely assigned to the colors and when questioned all he had to fall back on was, "my mommy/daddy said so."
If you assume that this tail is true, do you think that this child could:
a) ever unlearn/reassign the proper names to proper colors
b) trust people in general or what people consider to be fundamental/self-evident facts
c) trust his parents ever again
d) what could be other long term side effects of this experiment, and if we were to repeat this what would be variables to control (i.e. color blindness, disgrafia)
e) does a child have a form of loyalty or trust at ages 0-6, is there any limits
f) how much of a roll did this child's trust in their parent's play
g) what if we didn't assume that my teacher is trust worthy
(answer, don't answer do whatever you want)
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Post by larissa on Apr 19, 2016 17:50:48 GMT
This is actually really interesting. I would sometimes wonder why it is that certain things have those specific names and similarly to the experiment, it must have been because someone decided upon that name and everyone else went along with it. Now, even thinking about something having a different name seems weird to us, possibly because everyone else has been taught "the right way of saying it".
If his parents had falsely assigned the colors to him and he believed it, then possibly they could reassign the colors and he would believe them as well. The fact that everyone else would question him on it could also lead him to question the assignment himself.
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Post by jreitsma on Apr 19, 2016 20:12:04 GMT
I think that the child could eventually learn the proper colors for the proper names. The child would probably be a little confused whether to trust someone or not. I don't think he'd be able to trust his parents on information they come with on their own. A child does have a form of trust but it is flawed becaused their natural instinct is to trust their parents, even if they might be lying. Kids can only really form a correct perspective of truth till a later age.
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Post by stacyli on Apr 19, 2016 23:03:53 GMT
I'm actually not completely certain if the child would be able to comfortably relearn the names of the colors. I think depending on age, there's a sort of "prime" learning period for children and toddlers where they learn basic concepts, such as addition, spelling, or color assignment. At this age, children (toddlers maybe?) are taught many basic ideas that they likely remember for the rest of their lives. From that point on, what they've learned becomes pretty ingrained in their minds and would probably be pretty difficult to change.
Generally I think it'd still be possible for a child to relearn the names of colors, but would do so very uncomfortably. They'd easily become uncertain of who to trust and may even feel resentful of their parents for violating said trust. Over time, however, I'm sure that if the child was raised in typical conditions in all other senses, they would mature and understand that their parents were probably just a bunch of goons.
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Post by vannahyazon on Apr 20, 2016 5:32:42 GMT
If you assume that this tail is true, do you think that this child could:
a) ever unlearn/reassign the proper names to proper colors
---> i feel like they could, it would just be annoying ad a big trust issue, and just crisis in their lives which is pretty sad
b) trust people in general or what people consider to be fundamental/self-evident facts
---> see this, in my opinion would create like HUGE trust issues like, wtf, the parents are just being horrible
c) trust his parents ever again
---> i mean, theres two sides, if the parents havent done anything else wrong and are generally pretty good supportive parents, yeah the child has thepotential to forgive them, but if the parents are really worse beyond their "prank" then no, i dont think so
d) what could be other long term side effects of this experiment, and if we were to repeat this what would be variables to control (i.e. color blindness, disgrafia)
---> existential crisis, need for theraphy, color-theraphy? axiety issues, ovious trust issues
e) does a child have a form of loyalty or trust at ages 0-6, is there any limits
---> i feel like these are the ages where children learn the most and create their sense of what to believe of not, the limitation is that the brain DOES continue to develop through teens till the age of like 25, so unlearning is possible and the brain still has neural plasticity
f) how much of a roll did this child's trust in their parent's play
---> 100% they learned the switched colors, so they had to fully trust their parents to do so
g) what if we didn't assume that my teacher is trust worthy
---? well i mean 70% of what we believe is true is from reddit or facebook videos, so is what we "know" even trustworthy? ***
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Post by cliffordzhang on Apr 20, 2016 17:52:41 GMT
I agree with Stacy. In ducklings, there is an "imprinting" phase where the animal will basically decide who its mother is depending on the stimulus provided in that critical period. If you do this correctly, you can get a duckling to think a stick or a person is its real mother. So much like this child, if you teach it that pink is green at a critical stage of it's learning, it's going to whole-heartedly believe that is the truth and it would be extremely difficult to reverse its thinking without possible psychological consequences. Another example I can think of is that there are cases of people who were born left-handed and were forced to convert to right-handedness had some problems in their brain that I can't think of right now. Anyone else hear of this issue and can provide some evidence?
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