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Post by jreitsma on Apr 26, 2016 6:01:01 GMT
Moderator: Julia Reitsma TedTalk: www.ted.com/talks/daniel_goldstein_the_battle_between_your_present_and_future_self#t-643427Daniel Goldstein describes how people have two selves. One is the present self, and one is the future self. There seems to be a constant battle between these two selves, one wanting instant gratification and the other self wants the future's delayed gratification. It can be very hard for one to make decisions in the present for the future, without self-discipline. Goldstein explains how these two selves aren't on equal playing fields. The present self is always one step ahead of the future self because it is obviously in the present and wants instant gratification. An example would be someone who wants to lose weight, without self-discipline one will not be able to achieve their future ideal weight, because of wanting the instant gratification of unhealthy foods and comfort versus sweat and hard work. Self-discipline is said to be a muscle, the more you work on it, the more it grows and the easier it becomes to use. Goldstein says that sometimes it is even harder to fall into choices of instant gratification when one can't image the delayed gratification. Goldstein and colleages have put together a "behavorial time machine" computer program that shows possibilities of one's future, based on the decisions they decide to make today, such as on finances or health habits. Because most people seem to be heavily motivated by emotion, Goldstein believes that by giving people a visual representation of their possible positive or negative future outcomes, they will be more motivated and alter their decisions in a way that benefits their future self and not just their present self. Thought questions: Do you believe that this behavioral time machine will help people with motivation and better decision making for the future? Can you think of any other possible ways to show someone the effect of the decisions they make today?
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Post by stacyli on Apr 26, 2016 17:52:47 GMT
I think the idea of a behavioral time machine is a good way to look at long-term goals, whether that be for health, safety, finances, career...etc. It's a good method to get people to re-evaluate their present choices and look at consequences and necessary steps to achieve those goals. But although I do think looking at future self is very important, in recent years I've become more of an advocate of doing things for the present self.
I feel like if you're always looking at only doing things for the future self, there is an almost a lack of self. If you're constantly working for new long-term goals, I don't think you can ever be satisfied or content with the things you have in your life presently. Unless you are completely satisfied with taking little steps to achieve said future self or you are capable of imagining your complete future self, I just don't think it's a healthy way to live to only make choices that you will benefit from in the future. In this sense I feel like instant gratification is a good thing to indulge in somewhat regularly. There's a different sense of satisfaction knowing that you really wanted ice cream today so you ate ice cream or you wanted to watch Netflix in your PJs so you did just that. I think it's really important to people's mental health and self-esteem to do things today that you want to do today and not restrict yourself to choices you may benefit from later on. Of course, this isn't implying that people should never have big goals, I think it's just important to not let the big picture overwhelm our lives and control every aspect of what we do. (Also sorry for this tangent and if this wasn't really directly answering your question lmao)
Letting people hear from older individuals that have made similar choices in life may be a way to get people to understand the effects of their choices. For me personally, hearing from current grad students or older undergrad students helps me understand some different ways I can make choices in my college career. A lot of the time they show me potential career options, study habits, major choices, ways to get information...etc.
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Post by rebeccah on Apr 26, 2016 21:02:58 GMT
I think this is a really interesting idea and has the potential to change a lot of people's choices. Most of my decisions, admittedly, benefit my present self. However, there are many instances in which I look back at a decision I made and say "I wish I had done that one thing differently." Just that one small decision made a huge impact on my future self. If I had known the implications of my decision, I most likely would have acted differently.
So yes, for me this machine would definitely change my decisions and probably would better my life because I would directly think more about my future self, as well as my present self.
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Post by lilyzhuo on Apr 27, 2016 0:52:32 GMT
I think the behavioral time machine can be both beneficial and harmful. Similar to statistics-based ads, when they don't include a general call to action (regardless of where you fall in relation to the average person), it can cause someone who's doing the right thing already to start slacking/engage in the destructive behavior, whereas it can still encourage the positive behavior in someone who's engaging in the destructive behavior. The behavioral time machine could potentially make someone believe that they can start slacking a little (in school or otherwise) if they see a future they like, but can be extremely encouraging in making people want to change what their future will be. I often find real-life testimonies of people who are at the place in life that I hope to be at someday to be really helpful in motivating me to work harder.
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Post by dchang on Apr 27, 2016 2:38:17 GMT
I think that this behavioral time machine can definitely help people make decisions for the better of their future instead of instant gratification. Often times people do not have enough self discipline because they cannot picture the potential benefit they may have if they sacrifice their pleasure now. Without the tangible visual motivation, it is hard for most people to choose the uncertain pleasure of the future over pleasure during the present that is guaranteed. However, with this machine, people will be able to see the immediate result of their actions of their future and would most likely be more motivated to act in favor of the future if they can picture the immediate consequence. Showing people real life examples with other people, for example the decision to eat or diet, can also have the same affect as this behavioral time machine.
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Post by jreitsma on Apr 27, 2016 3:28:40 GMT
In response to Stacy, I completely understand what you are trying to say; however, what my point was that by sacrificing certain things now that are satisfying (watching Netflix 3 hours a day) oppose to study and sleeping, can in turn make the results of these actions lower productivity and cause one to get lets say a bad grade. Delayed gratification (getting a A) can be a lot more satisfying than instant gratification. Feeling great about your health has a much longer effect of bliss than that Asian combo meal at Rende. It all has to do with our decision making, which is the difference between a happy life and a miserable life.
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Post by jreitsma on Apr 27, 2016 3:33:04 GMT
Things that people actually put effort into, hard work is what seems to produce the best overall outcome of happiness; which is what we all ultimately want in life. One must just decide what in life brings them the most joy, and to pursue those things.
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Post by Alexandre Denuit on Apr 27, 2016 4:54:02 GMT
I think that this behavioral time machine could be a great motivation for people who want to achieve more but that are lazy, or are not motivated. The thing is that a goal is a choice: if it is important enough an individual will choose to work hard and achieve it regardless of the effort necessary. If one lacks of motivation, maybe it is because that goal is not significant enough to have that person overcome his/her laziness, fear or whatever it may be, and could make one reconsider his decision. I think that the machine Goldstein talks about is a good idea, but I do not think it would work for everyone. I believe that before even considering using this machine on someone, we would have to determine that person's philosophy of life. In the end, we all have the same future self which is simply a happier version of our present self. Therefore we must figure out our own definition of happiness, and act accordingly. For example, if to me, happiness was the satisfaction of all my desires, then the behavioral time machine would not be of much use to me because instant gratification would be the way to go for me. On the other hand, my definition of happiness was to fulfill my duty as a human being (i.e. be healthy, reasonable, get a good job etc.) then the machine could be of great use at times when I feel down. I am not against the concept of the machine as it would help certain people I am sure, but it is just will not work for everyone.
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Post by petekk on Apr 27, 2016 5:09:37 GMT
I think this idea goes back to the marshmallow test we discussed in class. I strongly believe that people who are able to visualize themselves in the future are more likely to set and achieve goals on the long run. Since achieving goals is an important component of happiness, it makes sense that these people also turn out to be better-off in life. The idea also fund some real world support since most 'life coaches' or life coaching type of programs focus on envisioning. I personally know now of the programs that is called the 'Envisioning Method' by Mind Valley Academy. The program requires you to imagine yourself where you want to be in 20 years and envision your path to it, gradually planning and envisioning backwards. I'm not recommending or endorsing the program in any way but I think the fact that it's out there shows that this idea has find popular support.
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Post by dalia on Apr 27, 2016 5:56:56 GMT
I think the time machine would definitely benefit a lot of people, one of them being me. A lot of times, the present self's need for instant gratification stops us from seeing and realizing our future goals, manly because we tend to dismiss the effects the actions we do now on our future; i.e its hard to see the long terms effects of eating that gelato at cafe 1919 when you crave it. In general, we tend to dismiss long term effects. Therefore, I think this machine would be a great tool because it will act as a constant reminder of the importance of each small action we take now, on our future. Particularly, I think the visual content is what makes it so effective, because even if one is motivated, say, about losing weight or succeeding on a specific task, visualizing it can have a much more profound effect than just thinking about it.
On a side note: I can't but think of the Adam Sandler movie "Click" where he is given this magic remote that allows him to fast forward through events in his life. It is only after seeing and experiencing what his life would end up like that he is able to actually make changes to his present lifestyle. I think the time machine can act like this fictional remote control!
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Post by bdang on Apr 28, 2016 21:37:52 GMT
I think the concept of the "behavioral time machine" is interesting. I, personally, fall victim to instant gratification many times. I feel that as humans, we like to set lofty and challenging goals for ourselves because it gives us the vision that we will be accomplishing something great, but when it actually comes to following through with the objectives, we often stray due to lack of motivation. For example, I always say that I will wake up early on the days I don't have class until later in the day and get stuff done, but when my alarm goes off in the morning, I realize how comfortable my bed is and just go back to sleep. Humans are driven beings, that is why we are always setting goals, but what we often fail at is taking initiative.
That is why I think a "behavioral time machine" would help motivate people. Seeing a tangible, visual product gives more hope to the individual. Because, otherwise, we only have an idealistic picture of what we want, and we are in no way guaranteed it so we are often working towards something uncertain. For example, if an individual set a goal to go to the gym everyday in order to get in better shape, he/she does not know what the end product looks like. The individual is solely working in hopes that the vision he/she sees will be come reality. So if people were actually able to see an end product that resulted from them doing x, y, and z, I feel they would be more motivated and avoid instant gratification.
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